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PostSubject: Re: Shih tzu types   Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:47 am

Ofcourse not all American kennels and dogs are like that.. BUT Im talking about the Overall.
Not all Europian dogs are good! Not at all! And not all American dogs are bad! But im talking about the type in overall Surprised

If you only watch the westminister show on the internet, the shih tzus there! They are a lot diffrent than in scandinavia/england! High on legs, Flashy, not much different between male and female. It´s like some little walking, rewind dolls Rolling Eyes I have talk with many judges and breeders in USA about this and most of them agree! Say this type is winning here so we keep it.

Peoble can read and interpret the FCI standad in there on way, but you must see Lemuro, that they are not talking about the typical american type! And no one is talking about so long and low dogs dogs like Dacshounds, but not eather short dogs like Schnauzers! Both are wrong isn´t it? Wink The pictures I posted before are all Champions Wink

True! Shih Tzu should have arrogant and smooth-flowing movements! Not a flashy, quick step movements! Many USA types moves more lika a Am. cocker than Shih Tzu, and the topline is often similar too affraid Sorry but I think it´s often nothing arrogant about many USA type ST´s they are just flashy, high on legs dogs. Not like the standard says!:

From the standard:
GENERAL APPEARANCE - Sturdy, abundantly coated dog with distinctly arrogant carriage and chrysanthemum-like face.

TAIL - Heavily plumed carried gaily well over back. Set on high. Height approximately level with that of skull to give a balanced outline.

GAIT/MOVEMENT - Arrogant, smooth-flowing, front legs reaching well forward, strong rear action and showing full pad.

FOREQUARTERS - Shoulders well laid back. Legs short, and muscular with ample bone, as straight as possible, consistent with broad chest being well let down.

BODY - Longer between withers and root of tail than height of withers, well coupled and sturdy, chest broad and deep, shoulders firm, back level.

HEAD AND SKULL - Head broad, round, wide between eyes.

This gives a good description of this shih tzu:


not this one, and they are both males.


Im not saying that if a dog have a little American blood in them then they are not good. Not at all! Perhaps these dogs have a good chest ore something that the other parent was missing Smile If they have the right europian low-on-leg type in the end, then no harm is done if they are typical correct king

What concern me is when type like the secont picture above wins the type of the dog on the first picture in Europe, even under a Europian judge! Not all Europian judges are good and knows how the shih tzu should look like! That is for sure!

About your bitch you have talk about. I have not she her live and it is hard to judge from a picture only. Like ALL dogs she have good points and bad points..For me she is a feminin sweet girl with nice face and pigment, outstanding coat, stylish but is to short in back and to high on legs with flat tail whitch give the wrong outline.



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PostSubject: Re: Shih tzu types   Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:47 am

Lemuro wrote:
yes i like this kennel too Smile especially the dog Ta Maria Sugar Daddy who was Bes of breed at Nordic Winner show Smile

Ohh I Love him! "Ta Maria Sugar Daddy"
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PostSubject: Re: Shih tzu types   Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:58 am

so nice the foto of santosha dog, i have one from them after very old bloodline and one from norway kennel hin chen also very old bloodlines.
i think we need that someone of us take care about this old types:)
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PostSubject: Re: Shih tzu types   Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:37 am

Egle`s Happy is too short? Smile I absolutely disagree, maybe because I`ve seen her live:)
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PostSubject: Re: Shih tzu types   Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:56 am

tzu -- this photo is not the good example of Happy's top line , because of my handling Very Happy

here are some her shots of free stack :




she have a short back , but not like others have very long legs and very short body, who looks very leggy . And YES I hate her flat tail Crying or Very sad I told it before... most American lines have problems with a tails and it is so sad , because I love tea cup tails, but it is a problem to find so dog, anyway Xeralane's now breed beautiful dogs with correct tails set. cheers cheers


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PostSubject: Re: Shih tzu types   Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:02 am

Flamenko wrote:
Egle`s Happy is too short? Smile I absolutely disagree, maybe because I`ve seen her live:)


she have a short back if we will compare with other scandinavians/old lines , but if we will compare with a American type dogs so she is tooooooo long Very Happy:D:D:D
She is a middle for me and i wouldn't like to have a longer or shorter body dog.
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PostSubject: Re: Shih tzu types   Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:11 am

I like Happy`s proportion, I think she`s the golden mean Smile She isn`t leggy, I think.

I don`t like those extreme American shih tzus, when leggs are 2x longer than their body Laughing But I don`t like when shih tzu is very long too. That`s my taste Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Shih tzu types   Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:26 am

Flamenko wrote:
I like Happy`s proportion, I think she`s the golden mean Smile She isn`t leggy, I think.

I don`t like those extreme American shih tzus, when leggs are 2x longer than their body Laughing But I don`t like when shih tzu is very long too. That`s my taste Smile

I like it too, i mean this is the perfect type with so dog you can go everywhere and you will never be disqualified from the ring Smile

Thease American lines dogs which tzu showed for us is really bad examples, and I dont think they are able to win Best in show under the most winning dogs in USA, like is Music ( Xeralane's Face The Music - America's #1 shih Tzu.) :




or Future ( Xeralane's Face The Future) :



All thease 3 dogs Future, Music and Gary is litter brothers all are very similar.

P.S. All photos are taken from Xeralane's kennel homepage.
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PostSubject: Re: Shih tzu types   Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:16 am

Much better to she her lenght on this two new pictures Very Happy much better! But still, I think she can not be any shorter than she is like you say. Im sure you can have very lovely puppies from her with the right male.

Sorry, I dont like this Xeralane's Face The Music, I wish I could see a picture of him on the side, not like he is handled...But is this a male for sure!! Looks like a female to me!
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PostSubject: Re: Shih tzu types   Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:19 am

I saw his brother Gary-Xeralane Face the Glamour, he`s amazing, sooo bony, real male with strong body I love you
Happy is also very bony I love you


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PostSubject: Re: Shih tzu types   Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:32 am

tzu wrote:
Much better to she her lenght on this two new pictures Very Happy much better! But still, I think she can not be any shorter than she is like you say. Im sure you can have very lovely puppies from her with the right male.

Sorry, I dont like this Xeralane's Face The Music, I wish I could see a picture of him on the side, not like he is handled...But is this a male for sure!! Looks like a female to me!



Peter, may i ask you a question?, in this topic you do iff you are a specialist, can you let me see a Shih off you that is perfect?
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PostSubject: Re: Shih tzu types   Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:07 am

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tzu wrote:
Much better to she her lenght on this two new pictures Very Happy much better! But still, I think she can not be any shorter than she is like you say. Im sure you can have very lovely puppies from her with the right male.

Sorry, I dont like this Xeralane's Face The Music, I wish I could see a picture of him on the side, not like he is handled...But is this a male for sure!! Looks like a female to me!

Peter, may i ask you a question?, in this topic you do iff you are a specialist, can you let me see a Shih off you that is perfect?

No Shih Tzu is perfect Wink Every dog have faults "Shih" flower
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PostSubject: Re: Shih tzu types   Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:18 am

tzu wrote:
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tzu wrote:
Much better to she her lenght on this two new pictures Very Happy much better! But still, I think she can not be any shorter than she is like you say. Im sure you can have very lovely puppies from her with the right male.

Sorry, I dont like this Xeralane's Face The Music, I wish I could see a picture of him on the side, not like he is handled...But is this a male for sure!! Looks like a female to me!

Peter, may i ask you a question?, in this topic you do iff you are a specialist, can you let me see a Shih off you that is perfect?

No Shih Tzu is perfect Wink Every dog have faults "Shih" flower


But i asked you, you are the specalist, can you place picteress off your dogs who are perfect, is that possibble or can you only give comment and have notting in tha house?, can you let us see what is a perfect topline, you give comment att this topic, let us see your Shih's
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PostSubject: Re: Shih tzu types   Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:22 pm

Peter , i saw you where online afther posting my message, why dont you post ? bounce

The webmaster nows who you are, i can give you some pics about the acept topline, no problem, iff you give comment on superb sowdogs, let me see the dogs off you, they may maybe more then suberb, i am waiting, regards Jack
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PostSubject: Re: Shih tzu types   Mon Jan 11, 2010 4:20 pm

Shih what is the problem? Can´t you talk when peoble do not agree with you, and tell there opinion?

Im not interesd in that kind of forum, sorry... Both if the webmasters give informations who ther users are to other guests, and with peoble who can´t debate to others Evil or Very Mad I don´t like getting rude PM eather. Im not talking about all the peoble here but it seams that someones can´t take reviews cyclops

So I would like that my account will be deleted, Please.
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PostSubject: Re: Shih tzu types   Mon Jan 11, 2010 10:59 pm

i find it little stranges that both of you have no web and just pm and your contery named here, morst of us have a web or anything so pepol can see how we are, way not you peopel, and that is not only for tzu but also for shih.
but i am also agree that the adm. shall not go out with names, if he think some one is doing somthing wrong he has to contact them on a pm at a normal way
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PostSubject: Re: Shih tzu types   Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:28 am

hey guys, please be friendly , everyone have thems own opinions and it is interesting to hear it ! We have diffirent tastes of shih tzu breed, but thats normal ! It is the same with all other breeds too Wink

And please, if you have discords , so clear it byself.
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PostSubject: Re: Shih tzu types   Tue Jan 12, 2010 9:46 am

Egle, I agree with you! flower
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PostSubject: Re: Shih tzu types   Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:03 pm

This is the first time I heard of that. What kind of shih tzu
is mine?
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